Change and challenge is in the wind as 2008 comes to an
end. The same is true when examining this month’s ReachMD XM160, special
series Focus on Global Medicine. We take a look at both the changes and the
challenges impacting global medicine.
Severe acute respiratory syndrome or SARS made significant
headlines in 2003 testing our global public health infrastructure. Since then,
we have seen dramatic evidence to suggest that bats were the original animal
host for the virus. The most recent data coming from a synthetic SARS like bat
coronarvirus. How does our ability to synthesize complex viruses like this one
enhance our capacity to deal with threatening passages. You are listening to
ReachMD, The Channel For Medical Professionals. Welcome to the Clinicians
Roundtable. I am your host, Dr. Mark Nolan Hill, professor of surgery and
practicing general surgeon. Our guest is Dr. Mark Denison, Professor of
Pediatrics and Associate Professor of Microbiology and Immunology at Vanderbilt
University School of Medicine.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Welcome, Dr. Dennison.
DR. MARK DENISON:
Thank you, its very nice to be here.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Dr. Denison, when did your team begin its research on this
project?
DR. MARK DENISON:
We have been working at coronaviruses for about 20 some
years and with the SARS epidemic of course that raised the profile and
importance of the viruses in the public line and so we have been working on
them for a long time. We began work on SARS very soon after the epidemic.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
And you originally were dealing with bat. Were other
species considered?
DR. MARK DENISON:
No, well, when the SARS outbreak occurred, there was of
course consideration of the animals that were being sold in the markets and
strange animals to us like Civet cats and Raccoon dogs and those animals were
looked for and found to carry the virus, but in the wild, they did not have the
virus and so investigators in China began surveillance of other animals.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
So its in a little bit, when you say sold in the market, I
know you are not speaking about the United States obviously. What do you
exactly mean by them?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Well, these are animals that were farmed, like chickens are
farmed here to be sold for food in the markets there and they are exotic to us,
but they were commonly sold in these markets and they are open markets where
animals might be stacked in cages and so its thought that they probably were
infected in the markets, but since they couldn’t be identified in the wild,
therefore they began to look in other places for how those animals could have
gotten infected in the markets.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Now, one of these animals were bats?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Well, no, there were no bats, so all the bats were being
considered because its like Casablanca where you round up to usual suspects and
people are looking for bat because its thought that it might be involved with
Ebola and several other recent outbreaks of human epidemic viruses such as
Nipah and Hendra viruses and so bats were a suspect and they were looked for.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
As I understand that bat coronavirus hadn’t been cultured
before, is that correct?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Correct, one of our main motivations was that in fact these
viruses had been looked at by an unusual mechanism, which was culturing bat
secretions, particularly rectal secretions in bats and they identified
sequences consistent with coronaviruses, but none of these viruses could ever
be cultivated in any of our available tissue culture cell lines and so could
not be studied further for their growth or replication or transmission between
animals.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Now tell us about those viruses.
DR. MARK DENISON:
Well, its probably not one virus, and in fact, when they
began to look in bats, they identified probably more than 20 new coronaviruses
in bats, none of the bats were sick, they were just shedding them suggesting
that bats may be a reservoir for all kinds of coronaviruses, particularly even they
have been the source of ones that have led to colds and other things in humans
and in other domestic animals, so there was no single virus and when we started
to work, we began to look at actually multiple viruses to see which one’s the
closest to what SARS looked like.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Now when you use the word coronavirus, I have to think back
on my Immunology days and medical, what exactly is that?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Well, coronaviruses are family of viruses that can contain
RNA as their genetic material. They are the largest RNA viruses in terms of
their genetic information. Their family, their name for the corona or crown of
proteins – they look like an eclipsed sun and so thus their name for the sun
and not for the bear.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Now, why common colds that are caused by certain
coronaviruses, what is it about this specific coronavirus that makes it so
deadly in bats, not in bats, but as bats transmit them?
DR. MARK DENISON:
It really became a deadly human virus, its not really clear
that it actually causes any disease in bats, and I think what it did is the
joint species and then adapted, it entered into humans and it truly was to all
the data we have a new human virus, and so if you can imagine a new influenza
or a new measles virus, if there is something new the humans had never seen
before, they represented there for a highly pathogenic virus in humans.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Are there certain genetic components to transmission?
DR. MARK DENISON:
The main genetic component probably is the spike
glycoprotein, which is on the surface of the virus, which binds to specific
receptors on a host cell and allows the virus to get in and then just spread
from cell to cell.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
And can we predict, who among the general population might
be more vulnerable to this?
DR. MARK DENISON:
It's not clear at all and our data does not yet answer the
question of how the virus initially got into humans. Its likely that it was a
recombination event so it may have been a bat virus co-infecting somehow a
human under unusual or extraordinary conditions and that there was a
recombination event between those 2 viruses that then gave the bat-type virus
the ability to then spread in human cells or animal cells, one of the other or
both.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
How would the bat virus get to a human at all?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Well, I can imagine lots of potential strategies, bat
secretions, and animals in the markets, animals getting infected with a high
dose of virus sort of shutting it into a cell or into a host, which allowed it
then to temporarily replicate and then a few months ingested that animal that
might have allowed it then to survive. That’s one potential scenario, another
would be a direct contact with bat secretions, inhalation, or a bite although I
don’t want to begin thinking about vampires at this point.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Dr. Denison, and how specifically does this research further
our capacity for identification, analysis, and even public health response to
emerging viral threats?
DR. MARK DENISON:
One of the great limitations in our opinion with our ability
to respond is that many viruses, that are known human viruses, for example,
hepatitis C even cannot be readily cultivated in cells and so regular
approaches to studying antivirals or vaccines are defective because we can grow
the viruses, so in the case of an emerging virus; for example, if there was an
outbreak and you could identify the source by sequencing the type of strategy
we use might allow for rapid replication or reproduction of the virus to grow
it in standard culture so that it could then be studied for vaccines and
therapeutics.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Why is it so difficult to grow some of these viruses?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Well, there may be several reasons, one example would be
that, as I mentioned the spike protein has the binder receptor so that a virus
coming out of bats just fresh out of the animal or even out of an initially
infected human might not have a good ability to bind to the cell and enter the
cells that are used in culture for standardly growing the virus and so that
would be a real limitation to it being able to grow.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Did any animals who might have come in contact with the bat
get sick?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Well, not very, there wasn’t much evidence that any of the
animals were that ill, we don’t of course know of animals that died, they
weren’t tracked, but and experimentally in the laboratory many animals could be
infected with SARS virus, but a few of them got ill, so there were a few models
and animals where they actually sick.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Why would that be? Why would the human be so susceptible?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Its not clear that the human initially was so susceptible,
but coronaviruses have perhaps an unique capacity among RNA viruses for
adaptation and mutation, so rapid change, of course with any virus virulence,
source of your disease may not be the goal of the virus, but that may allow it
to more rapidly spread in some circumstances.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Are we learning any more about the mechanism by which SARS
actually causes lung damage in humans?
DR. MARK DENISON:
We think we are. There is my collaborator basically Dr.
Ralph Barrack at the University of North Carolina Chappell Hill, who was an
absolute co-partner in this and this is a very joint disease, are studying how
the virus adapts using a mouse model where SARS, if its passaged in mice very
rapidly adapts and becomes virulent in the mouse and therefore can be studied
for those mechanisms.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
And just review for a second, what is the natural history of
SARS when a human gets it?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Well, the natural history of SARS when humans got it was
that they probably developed a disease that may have been initially actually
more of a systemic disease and then it's actually 7 to 10 days had onset of
severe respiratory disease looking like ARDS or acute respiratory stress
syndrome that led to much of the morbidity and mortality.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
How many patients would you guess that you have personally
dealt with?
DR. MARK DENISON:
With SARS, none, because it was implicated mainly in China.
Of course it spread to 32 countries over the period of about 4 to 6 weeks and
so the real severity of this was focused in a couple of places on call in
Toronto where this really had significant impact.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Did we have any in the United States at all?
DR. MARK DENISON:
There were several cases, in fact, there was one in Chappell
Hill, North Carolina, but that was an imported case from someone that had
traveled, so there was never endemic disease. If I could make one point about
this, its not even clear to us that SARS will ever reemerge because there were
a couple real limitations on the virus; for example, its ability to spread
required symptomatic disease and so efforts at quarantine were very effective,
so its likely that SARS may have been eradicated, but one of our goals is to
try to say that there are other bat coronaviruses and we would want to be able
to understand how it became a human virus, so if this happened again with the
SARS-like virus, we would be prepared for it.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Are you pretty confident in terms of that statement that the
SARS may not actually come back again?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Lets see. Ha, ha, ha, ha.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Ha, ha.
DR. MARK DENISON:
My wife says I am always confident, I am sometimes right.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
Ha, ha, ha, smart woman.
DR. MARK DENISON:
So I think the answer is – there’s no evidence that there’s
any naturally circulating SARS at this time. So I would say, no, I am not a
100% confident, but and thus another reason to be prepared to understand how it
would spread and evolve overtime.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
How did the virus get eradicated to that degree?
DR. MARK DENISON:
Well, if there were 2 Achilles heels and SARS had one as I
mentioned was that it appeared to require symptomatic disease for efficient
spread and so that if you isolate symptomatic individuals, you could
dramatically drop its transmission as opposed to influenza, which spreads
presymptomatically mostly and so its very hard to quarantine and control flu.
The second one would be that the reproduction number or the number of people
ultimately on average that got infected by a single SARS infected person was
fairly low and so with those 2 issues, its likely that quarantine and public
health measures could be very effective at controlling and ultimately getting rid
of an epidemic of circulating virus in humans.
DR. MARK NOLAN HILL:
I want to thank our guest, Dr. Mark Denison. We have
been discussing new research that enhances our understanding of the origins of
the SARS virus. I am Dr. Mark Nolan Hill and you have been listening to the
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